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• James: Some NFTs aren’t just meant to be hit records - there can be a variation/spectrum of releases. Being in Songcamp, vibe is very DIY culture. Not that it overshadows the quality of music, it’s the talent of connecting people. There’s a balance: we do need to make sure the music is better, but we fully understand that we create community. Who will make great music, but be assholes? Community engagement is a big element of it.
• Pat: Agreed. For me, community is not just a buzz word for me. I’ve been about community before web3 - doing life with people. I have an incredible team behind me, but they’re all my homies. We check in on each other, and we’re there for each other when people need to talk/vent/cheer each other on. But we also are here to keep it real. If we’re going to talk about community in web3, how can we be an authentic community if we’re not willing to be critiqued constructively, but between people you build with, but I don’t want web3 be a participation trophy place. You’re right: the records that you mint don’t have to be hit records. They can be deep cuts, or B-sides. But there is such thing as good deep cuts or good B-sides, and quality. Or even, people minting demos, but they’re actually good. We’ve seen that in web2, where there’s a “demo” on album which isn’t mixed upto par, but it’s all about the feeling. But you can still feel it and it still feels good. That’s where I’m at with it. The record doesn’t have to be a smash record hit, but I want it to be good. How can we say web3 is community, and people are high-fiving each other because the record isn’t actually good? But we high-five that?
• Kizzie: for the fine art aspect of it, it has the connection to collectors. The whole approach of like, getting a collector, having it at a gallery aka protocol has something to do with the fine art aspect of it. Agreed with James and Pat - people approach life differently. People might want experimental or bangers or whatever - it depends on the person [and their intentions].
• Outlaw The Artist - first of all, the perspective of what a deep cut means — so this is a song that on an album that serves the story that I’m trying to create, and might not bethe single not literally a banger that goes #1 like a hit, but I can still make an amazing album cut. we should strive for that in general, whether we mint or not, but the culture is like people are making 1/2 singles and put fluff around it and calling it an album. So maybe let’s start making great work and doing something deep cuts - but I always ask, what do I want to mint? But it might not be uptempo or in the club, but you can sit with it, and say this is a beautiful piece of music.
• JP Reynolods - these are great points and it’s a good conversation. Question for the room: how do we define quality? In whose eyes are we trying to determine that? Inside of that, is there an input versus an output thing? Is it the time that an artist puts in, or is it the product itself, like the output being put out? Sometimes people can be really thoughtful and genuine with how they’re approaching an art piece, but the output doesn’t match. Something that’s really fire and I’m wondering, as viewers, as onlookers or engagers, how do we know what that is?
• celia inside - something I’m thinking about — alot of artists are coming on all the time. It gets easier to have artists put out stuff whatever they are going to put out. If it’s not going to sell, then that’s what it is; but there could be someone out there is going to value it and pay for it. The other thing I want to say in terms of the value of what you’re putting out there — web3 is a space where musicians who are super creative in all these other ways, that meld together, all their different creative skills, there’s all this other stuff that can come into one, and it could be freeing for those in web2. That’s an exciting element for me where I’m trying to raise the bar. I’m trying to think in terms of community too, I think like, bringing other artists that I’m cool with and I respect a lot, into the space with what I’m working on — I think it’s interesting that some of you think that NFTs aren’t meant for big songs or hit songs. That’s really interesting to me. I don’t see a limit or track or song there — but Kizzie made a good point in that people are going to put all different kinds of stuff, and there might be a demo that would work for a certain artist. James, so cool you’re at Songcamp, but I will hop off , thanks all.
• Pat: We’re not saying that - you can’t mint something that’s a hit song on blockchain or web3. But what we’re saying is that, it doesn’t necessarily have to be that. There might be some people - who are actually talented in the space. Some people might get visibility and certain attention to and that can lead to a purchase, but there are some talented artists whether music or animators that are really good, but don’t have the visibility because they haven’t been on certain platforms. On JP saying, we will but we’ll go to James and Black Dave.
• James: how can we define what quality is? Right now, part of the quality is scalability. Right now, it’s about community, but how wide is your network? If you’re in multiple communities and support and help out, and benefit alot of people, yes, there’s a way to get quality of art in a standard that can be created, but there’s a ton of people that may not do certain things to get their music out. So there’s gotta be people, so let’s get quality up, and not have multiple touch points with people, and that’s why things don’t sell. I’m saying that to myself. If I entrenched myself, then I would see us sell more NFTs.
• Black Dave: I want to get my bearings: I think there are a few interesting points to bring. Recently, while at SXSW, I talked to one of the biggest ETH spenders. I was talking about how, while I have around 80-100 collectors right now, for music NFTs in specific, I would say, 50% listen to my music. When I said that, he nodded and that sounds about right. So what are you guys actually collecting? And his response was, well, we want something rare, and want something people don’t have or can’t have — regardless of raising the bar or stagnant, collectors care a bit less than artists. You’ve seen my rants and these sorts of things. What I think what is more lacking than talent or getting better, is are we using the technology better? The answer to that is almost 100% no. If you look at like, LATASHA, the Michael Jordan of Web3 Hip Hop and I’m Scottie Pippen, up until her sound drop, didn’t drop an NFT with utility. How interesting it is that, now that she’s done it, others may want to figure out what they can do. When I was doing all sorts of utility-related things, peopel would say, I wish people would do things that you’re doing, and others would use utility, and I want to use the word experience rather than utility, but utility sounds a lot better to some but not to others; but I can do that anywhere, why web3? This is a rant and I’m realizing it, and let this continue.
• Pat: I don’t know how that feels - you collect my music, but you don’t play it? See that to me, if you’re a collector, that bothers me. That needs to be a conversation - you want to collect it, but it’s almost like collecting a painting and you never look at it. That sounds crazy. That’s kinda weird to me, that’s my opinion, but that’s a convo to be had and it’s cool, you collect my piece, at least listen to it one time! It’s music, not something you can see.
• Black Dave: I’m sorry that I did this to you, Pat.
• Pat: I like the healthy conversation!
• Kizzie
  • 2016 — got a random phone call from a dude who got my info from a friend. He’s called the Rap Museum and he called and was like, I collect the collections of artists that I respect. And he has like, tons of physical music and whole discographies of people which include mixtapes and all of this stuff, and I felt honored that he called me. I had to run around getting certain tapes that I didn’t have anymore — I had to go to my mom’s house and it was an interesting thing to me, and it really showed me how much there are collectors out there. I don’t know if he heard it all, and I charged him top dollar for that, for me, as a web2 artist who have had collectors and people really fucking with me as a person and as an artist, that taught me a big lesson - having your own shit and keeping your own shit close, so anytime anything comes up, i never want to be the person who doesn’t have my stuff in physical form.
  • For NFT stuff, I feel like such a noob and blessed toi be learning so much. We’re engaging in great conversation about this. But in January, when I started, pumping my own projects, it had everything to do with the experiential side - so I’ve been doing that the Mint Area Project and the utility with my stuff is access that you get with me and my co-creator. Black Dave, I hear what you’re saying about that and really on that with the utility and I’m not doing just the music project or just the PFP project, but it encapsulates me to go bigger with the music and than before with the traditional rollout — that’s the exciting part about me. The utility behind the music, there’s a big WHY with NFTs and you can start to answer the questions of WHY. What works for one, may not work for another. Absolutely, everyone in music NFTs should be thinking beyond the actual piece of art to maybe you’re trying to get that popping Discord or IRL events. For me, I got alot of things to cook up, but we’re so very early and still so far to go and innovative things to be done with the smart contracts and why behind the music.
• Almond: ...
• Rumpus: I think what I love about the question is — especially with web3, it doesn’t change our perspective, but add what it means to raise the bar, and to touch on — go to blackdave, but first things first: when it comes to raising the bar in this space, you have to understand yourself as an artist and what kind of artist you are. Moving from that position and know that the type of community you’re trying to create, and from there, it allows you to maximize opportunity to connect your listeners. When you understand yourself, your community, and who you’re selling to, it gives us a position to dive deeper in what an experience looks like. So how are my listeners going toe xperience this song? What I love what blackdave did - what are you looking for? The collector said “I’m in it for rare” and web3 is opening more openness on an independent level to choose how people experience our music. People don’t just listen to the song, they like to have the visual to go with the song, or the back story to go with the song, or the people that hang around the song. Web3 is forcing us to raise the bar on an entry level. By the time we get to a professional level, it’s like you’ve been doing this on for a while. Love what Kizzie said. Love the Dolphin Collector analogy from Almond. We’re getting to the point to focus less on like, you know trying to be this top tier person and focus on more building a relationship with people, and relationship with community, and when you do hear the song, and when you connect with it, it takes you back to a memory or a place. We’re going to dive deeper with the audience that listens to our music.
• Pat: when I was younger in music age, I was a huge fan — of Lupe Fiasco. The lyricism, but as I got older, the lyricism is cool, but I want to feel something too. I can’t feel it if I’m trying to decipher every bar. I love listening to lyrical rap music, but love music that connects.
• cxy: best value that I can bring is perspective as collector. I’ll jump right in to it. The biggest way I think of it is the way Almond doxxed himself, I’m older than Almond. I have that perspective of like, have infinite time to listen to music in high school, but no time and yet relatively infinte funds. The meta I’m trying to accomplish - put back into ecosystem as I had drawn from, coming up. The world of music came from this like, the way you have time to look at other people’s collections , that level of exploration and freedom to understand your current state of culture that predated you and old CDs and whatnot, that was just amazing. As I made my way around in the industry, I realized there was a lot of funds that made the culture possible, when I was making it part of my identity. I collect now: I don’t listen a lot to what I buy, but what I buy is what I think is meaningful, to me personally and to the growth of the culture at large. What do I mean by culture? For web3, it’s the creators: technical, artists, collectors — we’re all trying to create simultaneously. In the past, artists who were at the mercy of the legal infrastructure that were never contemporary with — the distribution, financial, all of that — whatever the culture creators that had to deal with, [...]
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• @PsalmOne: shares story of the come up in music industry; new Big Silky release
• @iampatjunior: music industry is rough, and thankful for web3 with the new technology and artists being able to collaborate and being able to make decent money where they can fund their artist career. Not a lot of people understand that a label is just a machine with connections and money by you. But you can be your own label to do. At some point, I'll be sharing how to do that as I do it myself and very proud of it. 1-2 things away from having the full team, but very possible.
• @PsalmOne: There's nothing wrong with being a superstar or being super famous. A lot of people set the bar very high for themselves and being a working artist, making a living, is such a blessing. That's not setting the bar low. As artists, we understand what it takes to be an indie artist that is making a good living. It's very difficult. With wealth, there's people who want to make billions and they have to make so many decisions in order to be there. Millionaires have to make a lot of decisions but is a lot more tangible for a lot of people and what you're willing to do. The team needs to be down for the artist. Hard work beats talent, but you'll see artists go way further because they're not arrogant of where they are and have a clear idea of where they can go and execute. Execution is the biggest thing.
• Pat: Very recently, February 9 or 10, I dropped my genesis NFT and there is a PartyBid active for it! It's something I'm proud of and it's called Put It On. I like getting together and breaking bread with the people. Brought friends along with me for new projects and have visuals thinking about minting as well that go along with that project. James and I have been talking and once we get the Genesis NFT going -- Almond heard one of the things I have up my sleeve. I'm excited to bring this to web3 because I'm definitely a creative mind when it comes to rolling out stuff and creating worlds. That's one of the things that's got me hype about web3. I have a cool project that I'm doing with the artist that digitally painted the artwork, Cryptic Donuts, and we're working on that and super excited about that. I don't know if you came to the drop party room, but we were talking and shared how when we were younger, she was always the kid sister that I put out the room while we played video games. But now years later we're working on music shit and art shit! Something poetic about it.
• kells: I'm new to the web3 space. I'm a born self-promoter. I'm getting all this information from you all. I want to thank everyone in the room for that. Imagine if Gucci grew up in the suburbs and was depressed. That's what I'm doing!
• visionnaire: There's an earlier convo that inspired me to come up. There's a growing divide between artists and creators. With the destruction of the middle class, especially in the United States, there's a destruction of that bridge that people transfer from "lower class" to social and economic mobility to the upper class. As the bridge burns, there's no room for people to exist in the middle. Web3 provides tools for artists to thrive. Thriving isn't like selling a million records or Drake level on Spotify, but a middle class of artists if that could exist. What does it look like for people to do 50K or 60K a year and they don't have to work for a company, but for themselves? That's really what intrigued me when learned it originally -- there's a way for people to build sustainable careers that don't have to amount to winning a grammy or win a BET award. There's a way for people to do it and -- a community that understands and responds accordingly, that's a real community and that's what I feel is something important to note. When I have these convos, I try to say this. We're in the process of doing this as artists, and we're the front end developers of web3 technology and that's really cool because it gives us the opportunity to build interfaces to allow people to create a whole new economy with us. That's the best way to frame it with us on stage and in audience, or to explain this for people who are here in this space or new in this space, and that's my purpose as a recording artist. I'm done speaking. <3
• Pat: Give us a little something!
• visionnaire: V for short. I'm a recording artist, producer, and creative director. It is my way of contributing to the world. My Genesis which will be shooting later this year is this song off of my second album, song called Yams, song about body positivity, and focus for that song is a runway song and a theme song for Black women. I'm doing a crowdfund on Mirror called Project Yams Grow Fund. I'm growing a garden, that's the name of the community, and the first crop I'm growing is the music video for Yams. What I'm doing with the crowdfund -- if you buy the token, and you're not a black woman, you nominate a black woman to co-produce with it. I'm instituting an architecture for all to participate while having the appropriate boundaries. Check out my tweets and retweets and the crowdfund - just take a read. -> https://twitter.com/vsnaire
• IAMNICOLECASH.ETH | I wanted to speak on earlier -- if you don't know, it's just, that was just a lot for me. Not even to try to get people to sympahtize for me just speaking on what visionnaire was saying, but supporting people in the community, and not making people feel like they are not doing themselves, and some people only got themselves. There's only one person pushing their stuff and -- I just got involved with web3. Outside web3, I pushed my music so hard and it got as far as it has by going as far as it did. To be in a community where it's so this and that -- then you come to me, nicely, come down because people in the community feel like you're doing too much.
  • Pat: This is an opportunity for us to get to know who you are. We want to know -- this is your platform -- we want to hear what you're working on. Let's focus on that.
  • Nicole: I will say what needs to be said and want to speak to visionnaire with what he's saying, and I want you to know that. I am a singer, songwriter, and rapper and I love how hard I'm pushing for myself. I hope that you guys heard what I said and hear what I'm saying as a human being working hard to push myself where I am and I have a lot of people looking at me and people looking down upon me. It is only me -- my music is on all streaming platforms, and DM me if you want to collaborate with me. Checkout my bio @ITISNICOLECASH -- I have a project in web3 called READ MY MIND -- I drove all the way from Alabama to North Carolina to record it. READ MY MIND was one of the songs that I recorded and shot the video and it was a whole lot. I can probably talk about this all day because the story is crazy but I want to give you the short version. 40 edits, a lot of the stuff we did in the video and took (request to pin). This is personal for me and it's real for me. Blood sweat and tears for this shit for me.
  • Kells: Your shit go crazy. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
  • Pat: I want to emphasize that everyone should share what you resonate with - everyone is not going to like your stuff. It is important that we acknowledge stuff that's dope, fire, and if we rock with it, we share it. But, focus on the people that are supporting you, supporting them, and if they are putting out Top Tier Mid, let them know, and we appreciate you sharing for sure.
  • Devin: I want to share some encouragement - when you said Pat, connecting -- I understand and feel you, and saw what was going on. Nicole you are very talented but also be consistent and that's the word -- I want to focus on myself and focus on my innerbeing and well being. I'm messing up my words -- but I would say, be consistent and ignore the bullshit and be a light to everyone. Everyone in the community will start to come to you.
  • Nicole: I appreciate those kind words and do what I've been doing. That's all I can do. I'll still speak on things because a lot of people
• Jazii: I dove straight head first in and was in Twitter Spaces and listening at first, but by the second week I started introducing. For Nicole: I'm very new in this space as well, and wanted to encourage you. Just know I'm preaching to myself halfway, but when you feel unseen, I want to encourage you to keep on going and just try to lead with love and show who you really are. People will slowly find you. I don't just share music but I talk about my kids and thingsd I love and it's really a good thing and not a robot that's all music-music-music. There are people who feel what you're saying and there's one of these people that search for that familiar face and you're going to find that person and look directly in each others eyes and it will only be up from there. Just wanted to let you know that you're not the only one going through that. You have amazing work and you're worth that amount of money for people to spend. Your time is going to come. Keep your head down and do what you know how to do best. Just wanted to send that to you. I'm Jazii and come connect!
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1. One voice at a time - If you talk over people we will give you a warning if it happens repeatedly you will be moved to the audience
2. No Shilling zone - Don’t sell us but feel free to tell us your story
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• Infinite Objects by @thisreo
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What kind of collector are you?​

• Kizzie: "I'm an artist. When I peek behind the crypto curtain, I knew I wanted to really collect stuff that is visually -- I started to collect things on other blockchains like TEZ, with lower gas and really recommend it for people who don't want to pay all of these gas fees, or spend a ton of money, or not have a ton of money right now. 1 TEZ is about 4USD, so you can buy stuff on Object.com, and get some cool art and support artists all over the marketplace. I'm an Object.com AVID collector, so I can find something really dope. There's a lot of music NFTs making their way on there, as well as my own. I'm mostly TEZ collector, and I want to get my ETH up and bid on people's stuff on ZORA or OpenSea. My goal as a collector is to support the artists, first and foremost, and I put my ETH back into the art and the artist.
• Pat: "I've always wanted to look at other blockchains. How is navigating the TEZ blockchain? Is it easier/harder? James wanted to find out more about it, but let us know like how it is."
• Kizzie: "I started when it was previous version to where it is Object.com marketplace. I will try to find other things to pin, and James can holler at me offline. Some people use OpenSea and MetaMask, but Object.com -- my wallet is kukai. That's what I use -- Objekt.com -- it is not as user-friendly as opensea, but it's not too bad. You can see the latest mints, the top sales, and what people are doing. There's thousands of new art that is coming on there and stuff to look at. You just browse, it's pretty easy if you want to buy or bid. Let me know if you want more of a tour through!"
• Pat: I want to look at Solana as well. Their logo is very appealing to me.
• Almond: I buy things that spark joy (s/o to Marie Kondo). I look at myself as a Patronage+ person.
• Pat: If you're enjoying the convo, share it on the timeline!
  • Appreciate everyone hopping in.
  • I want to talk about the collector I want to be, when I make sales. I'm adopting, or learning, what it is to be a creative socialist. I like to share my platform with other people. As I grow, in wealth, I love giving. Not just money, but my time. And my efforts to people. To help lift them up to -- there's enough room for everyone to eat. I never understood the concept in the music industry to hide or gatekeep information. I'm not asking folks to share everything in the world -- the music industry is financially robust and big. There's enough for everyone to eat. It is the same as web3, and I definitely want to, when I collect pieces, I want to be supporting black women in this space. I'm raised by black women and married to a black woman. I want to support them in the space. I want to own a FAITH piece, a KIZZIE piece, an IMAN, there's just -- a plethora of dope black women in the space, and dope art in general. As far as music is concerned, I want to own those pieces. If Kizzie or Jasmine wins a Grammy one day and their value goes super high down the road, I might have to -- I don't know.
    • Kizzie: I am working on a book. If that becomes a best seller, and I have an NFT, that could be worth something.
  • Pat: James: it's called Invisible Friends? So for this project, we've been eyeing them and we've been talking about them, and there's some PFP projects to get into flipping, but as far as art is concerned -- as far as like, there's a FAITH piece or illustrators, I want to buy one of my sister's pieces to show love and support. I want to hold some stuff and hold them long-term. I want to hold them, and collect art in the web3 space, especially Black art. I want to see more Black art, illustrators, and I want to be those Black Artists that can support Black Artists.
  • James: Kizzie -- isn't the book, can we preorder it right now?
    • Kizzie: my homie did that and I will pin that.
  • James: I will hold my Invisible Friend.
    • James: I will say that I have collected what has been aesthetically pleasing to me. I believe in what the project is doing, and as I'm collecting, I want to support Black artists, Black women, and hold some dope art. But I guess, I make music NFTs but I struggle with is -- how do I play them? In the showcase of the Rainbow wallet, I can play it. Does that work?
• Jasmin: Pat is genuine online and offline. Blessed to cross paths. I jumped up here -- Kizzie, what you said about what an artist is doing offline, I believe that brings additional value to these collective NFTs. When your book is released -- for any artist or wanting to support, what they do offline, Pat showed me something that was so amazing and held it at a Contemporary Art museum. Our art forms to be taken seriously -- to have a story to tell, and be inducted in any way, in a museum is a huge accomplishment. That is no small feat and to continue to do things on that caliber, it takes a lot of work and tears and questioning -- any artist that does that, you have to know they have gone through so much. To make stuff here and on the outside, that is so amazing and loved what you said Kizzie.
  • Kizzie: Thanks! I appreciate that. Also, it rings true for an artist that wants to revalue themselves, refinance you know what I mean? I remember that in web2, I had stuff for free and had a paywall, but in web3, I've seen artists re-list things for a higher price and updates the value. It's cool when it happens both way. I'm not a big flipper, but one of the pieces I bought the other day -- I bought for 1.5 TEZ -- but now I saw it today it is 13 TEZ. So, I was like, wait a minute? How did that happen? The artist might have been like, this is worth more, and this is my first attempt at a flip, and if the big comes through, and you make however much -- I have ETH in the stash, but I can't spend it all on that because I need it to mint some more. The gas fees are prohibitive at times, and artists need to pivot, and heard evaluations on Polygon and Solana, and requires exploring. For a creator and a collector, it's a natural sort of thing.
  • Pat: What kind of collectors I want --
  • Dom: I will start collecting, but when hardware starts catching up so I can have a frame and display NFTs and music at my house.
    • Almond: check out Infinite Objects!

What kind of collectors do you want?​

• Kizzie: if someone wants to buy my NFT, one of them got sold for 0.55 ETH which was around the time, $1500.00 -- there's so much more utility that you get with that purchase. You get private Zoom with me, merch pack, but if you get it on TEZOS, you get my full attention, and I might send you a shirt, but it is partial utility. I like the idea of different tiers. They're just like, they'll pick up 2 of yours, but I know people that got both and they're used to doing that, and it's just cheaper. I like to appeal to people -- it's like a vinyl collection. I don't think necessarily that there's going to be music collectors now that have this huge music collection, but it's going to be raw and super dope, because it's heavily curated. For me, I want music snobs and I want my fans that already exist in [...]. If I am successful more than where I am today, I want to see my stuff getting flipped on at secondary. It shows value in your art and in this moment in time right now, and whether you think artists or overvalued or undervalued, but the value is being placed. I want to go back to something Pat said -- we need to operate with scarcity mindset, if someone sells for 5 ETH, and it doesn't get bid on right away, and it's crazy. There's definitely different kinds of collectors out there, and I want there to be people to get there early. My project is part of a bigger project, and NFTs are part of the bigger story.
• James: I like the idea of tiers with different utility. When you mentioned onboarding people from web2, to hear that and you do it and it works, I wonder: were you hearing that noise as you came into space, and what made you reach out and how difficult was that transition to support you on the web3 side?
  • Kizzie: some people were already in web3, but the one person I onboarded -- he had asked me a month or so before I dropped an NFT, if I dropped one yet. We had a convo about it, and I'd let him know when I dropped it -- but it was dropped, I hit him up and say, I want to let you know that I dropped it -- we caught up, and I want to bid on that. But, I can't do it today, so it took a few extra days, but he came through and he's a busy dude, that's my homie. We got it done, and he already had a Coinbase, and a Metamask, so for that -- he was already like, over the hump of like, getting the Coinbase verification and all that. It wasn't a crazy onboarding, and he forgot the process but it was kind of like, really dope that I was able to remember -- he's not really online. But he wouldn't know it if I didn't tell him. Some people joke about it as a scam, but I'm not really worried about being scammed because I'm an artist that's creating value. I'm here to use the technology and be here to create. There's many parallels from you know, fine artists where the work in the gallery, and where are you going to find the collateral?
• Dom Deshawn: this is a really good topic. I'm in an interesting space -- a few of the people on the stage, only have 1 NFT or maybe 2 actually created. So the amount of collectors that we have isn't a long list, so right now it's that phase -- but there are collectors who really like the artists and want to support in that type of way. I really want to be able to have and have those superfans, like people who will like, download lyrics or really tap in and dive into my music and support not just my project, but anything I go for. The cool thing about web3 is that you have the opportunity to contact these people. I want to build that relationship with, and people who believe in me. And, as I think about it, when years ago -- when J COLE did the Forest Hill drive release and going to people's cribs like that, having the opportunity to do that, there might be a case where I fly you out and listen to a new album of mine. And I might just do a show in your city and you do free tickets -- there's a connection with somebody, and having that with the collector. I'd rather it be somebody who pays attention to my work and believes in my work, instead of flippers. I want to build the personal connection with somebody. I feel like I want to build a connection with them.
• Pat: Again, it's always really cool how, I have, like these fire conversations before our spaces and they tie into what we're talking about in the space. Just like, I don't think it is coincidence. Me and Jasmine were talking about creating where we are in life, and our music is fresh and current, to where we are. So, it makes it very personable. I rock with alot of what you were saying.
• END: Almond stopped taking notes at 5:28PM PST.

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• Aces Before Spaces
• Rules
• Key Takeaways
  • Keep predatory behavior out of web3.
• Topic: What do we want to keep out of web3? What do we want to keep from web2?
  • Rules
  • Predatory behavior & Code illiteracy
  • James: break the question up. Let’s start: what we want to keep from web2. Keep out predatory deals. I think, chasing algorithms is something we shouldn’t do. It’s annoying. Even in that, we also need a better solution of discovery. We need to build that system together.
  • Pat: the whole Twitterverse of music. I say whole - I have never seen anything like that since been on Twitter, where every musician that I know and follow spoke up with the Hit Piece thing. That’s predatory behavior. On this point, that’s something I don’t want to see in web3 is that kind of behavior, it’s very web2 predatory behavior. But to see like, a bunch of musicians come together for one purpose, was so exciting. Brought up the pay to play thing, and I don’t want to see that in web3. Translated over, that’s people performing in the metaverse which I hope that doesn’t happen. The biggest thing in my heart, dealing with past traumas that I’ve been through, not specifically in music but just like in life, just gate-keeper mentality. There’s a difference between protecting and gatekeeping. I am believer that no matter what happens in life, as long as you stay humble and keep working, you will get yours. But that doesn’t mean gatekeeping is not annoying. I’ve seen it already in web3 and it sucks, it’s trash. What’s crazy — I don’t want to get deep on psychology, but it’s crazy how some of the traumas we deal with — if we don’t work through that and do appropriate healing, we end up becoming the thing that we hate. I don’t want to see that here.
  • ideserveartdotcom: I don’t think it’s controversial, but it sounds a bit rude. This question is low-key irrelevant. There are people that will be predatory, and there are others.
    • James: just to clarify - on the, title, but this is the goal: to point out, what we don’t like, but to move towards solutions. So, what do we want to keep from web2?
    • Art: I just want to keep out — I want us to stop spending energy on things that don’t matter. Focusing on ourselves, focusing on getting to know who we are, and focusing on hope and man, and being one with the creator in nature, and knowing how to breathe properly, and knowing your body, and communicate telepathically, and in tune with your intuition. When you do, it’s less important of what other people do, and you can just bypass that.
    • Pat: those things take practice, and everyone isn’t at that point yet, but it’s easier said than done. There’s a process that goes behind that, and it takes self but a tribe of people to do that. But I definitely here what you’re saying. I want to say again, if anyone wants to join the conversation, and if you hear anything that is helping - feel free to come!
  • Chakkra: Definitely resonate with what Art Acrobat was saying. to an extent where, I had a convo with a brother — when you are introduced to a space full of people who are looking to pour into you, and looking to do the same and build in one with community (blackdave’s favorite word), we’re building a relationship that are filling us and reminding us of who we are and whose we are and it reminds you that, you are not who culture says you are fill in negative connotation. You are amazing, bold, excellent and move with fill in the blank. But it is necessary to — for the people who don’t know, that there are people who are vultures towards the cultures, it is important to know who the vultures look like. We can keep ourselves away from that energy. But if there are people who don’t know what the snake look like, you are babies to the web3. It can damage them. That’s not the energy we want to portray, but if we don’t recognize that there are different negative energies in positive spaces, then people will think too idealistically. There are people who don’t want to see progress. Without the people, there is no progress. In the state of struggle, and moving towards better tomorrow, we must recognize there is an enemy in our lives, and we will need to address them and we need to acknowledge and call that out. People get burned from web3 to web2, etc. You say “wow, this happened, I don’t want to work with this” due to one encounter. But if you didn’t even know if this type of person exists. I think it’s a sense of urgency when we see the negativity, “how do I move forward to Pat? How do I lean on these people?” because those people protect you from that negative energy.
    • How can I best show up for you as a technologist to support you in your journey as an artist?
  • Almond: let’s talk about code literacy and community.
  • Pat: I don’t like, and people who have worked with labels and getting paid in the music industry, if anybody has dealt with that at anytime, projects or placements takes forever. What I love about — what I will say, what I don’t want to see in web3 is tardiness. I thank God for developers and people — here’s where the tech is important. Where, we get our moneys right away! We get our money right out the gate. But I do want to see the artists in this space, to be timely and punctual. I haven’t seen that not happening, but more artists being consistent. When you see people say something and followthrough, it is good. Especially with blackdave rolling out stuff, and jameecornelia, and Devin Tracy.
  • James: What Art said in the beginning made me think about this. When we think of web2, it is not this mythical goliath. But none of these entities exist outside of us. So let’s reframe the question, and have us look at ourselves: what practices and attitudes from web2 do we want to get rid of from ourselves, as we venture into web3?
    • Art: not caring what other people think. It’s not my purpose — I want to bring in my purpose and keep out the doubt that would do otherwise.
    • Chakkra: unlearn the idea that every interaction has to have a quid pro quo attached to it. Shout out to James and Pat. My trait that I do not like is not asking for anything — I don’t want to come off sounding stupid asking a question that I coulda google’d myself. The whole thing of being burned for a bid or a mix — waiting for bread for some verses you did or whatever, I don’t personally for me, be doing much of anything for that, but based off of the interaction for folk artist-wise. It’s difficult to deal with the idea that everything will be blessed in web3 when you are still trying to protect burns in web2. Bring that web2 love and bridge the gap, because everything seems to be cashgrab sensitive. At least from my end of the perspective.
      • Pat: That’s something I have had to learn over the last couple of years. I’ve been leaning on my manager for help.
    • Tam: I came in to let you know that your Peloton monitor has arrived! I am the wife of the amazing Pat Junior. Great friends with James. I have not talked to Almond just yet, but def after! I resonated with Chakkra - on aspect of being fearful — to be honest, it sounds like I have a lot of people in this room that veer confident, and not be concerned with what others think, but I have a fear of the unknown when it comes to this because it is so new and Pat takes time to explain things to me, but I don’t understand or get it! It’s hard to get my brain around it, and that in itself gives me anxiety to go full force, and really wanting to do research — as Chakkra said, I don’t want to sound silly, but Pat told me that you don’t ask alot of question, but I don’t want to sound stupid. I pride myself on being knowledgeable on alot of things, so with this being so new and all of that, so it is a bit fearful, so I want to get that out of my way so I can put myself out there. I struggle saying this, but I’m a really good photographer. So to add to the conversation, I would like to put that down and pick up confidence and assurance that there’s space for me in this realm. I can’t remember who said it, but someone said “depend on the people that are there to help.”
      • Pat: in web2, there’s not a lot of that knowledge sharing. You need to be very people connected or whatever, and even my homie in the audience — you need to be in the industry if you will for a while, to happen. So I definitely appreciate what Tam said, and in web3, this is what this space is for! s/o to my wife. That’s something that we have in web3. Devin Tracy is an amazing singer and songwriter and super.
    • Devin Tracy: introduced himself to the crowd. Welcome, Devin!
      • I want to see more people supporting. I don’t want it to get lost like, you know how in the music industry, people get supportive, then they forget one other person — I want people to show appreciation. That’s what I want to see in the web3 space. A lot of things get lost in web2, but it’s still new but want to continue growth and grow and help with one another.
    • JPReynolds: I was going to respond to the question earlier asked: about what internally in ourselves what to leave behind. For me, I think this is a deep thing - such a large part of my experience has been in the web2 adjacent space. Letting go of doing anything that operates outside alignment. I’ve done things and made decisions and apply strategies that — I didn’t feel like it sat right, right away, because it was supposed to happen for artists at the time. Example: TikTok. It works for some artists, but may not be resonant with me. It hurt my spirit - and it kind of hurts and reaching out, and don’t want to operate in this for alignment. I got on the line with Chakkra — like, one of my takeaways is between expression — artist should express on inventory with what experiencing, and one of the things that I’ve been doing work to not get caught up in, after express or expressed, to care too much about impressions. The metric in web2 is impressions, like algorithms and retweets — so when we express and care too much about impressions, it can lead to depression. For me, that’s a big part of the web2 space that I want to let go of, and I feel like I turned a bit of a corner. It’s long sloping, but I’m turning it.
• [...] Notes stopped here.

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Ground Rules​

1. One voice at a time - If you talk over people we will give you a warning if it happens repeatedly you will be moved to the audience
2. No Shilling zone - Don’t sell us but feel free to tell us your story
3. Keep it in the middle- We can attach issues and topics but attacking people won’t be tolerated
4. Step up step back - If your talking a lot please step back and leave space for other voices if you are being quiet please step up and talk if your on stage (please don’t sit on stage silently we need your voice)
5. Feel free to share the room if it’s valuable

Notes​

• Aces Before Spaces™️
  • Sharing our day publicly
  • Music in the background
• Start of meeting 🎉
  • Please request up if you want to speak. 👍
  • James: going through Ground Rules™️ ✊
  • James: To give a little background -- a lot of what we delved into last time -- let's add more. What should be more important: the tech or the art?
    • Pat: the art is more important. Reason: the technology -- we're at a space where the technology will continue to evolve. That's inevitable. We're seeing a bunch of success in the web3 space. We're seeing sound.xyz doing their thing with seasonal drops. We're seeing people getting onboarded to Catalog (shout-out to Jamee Cornelia!). There's a bunch of stuff that's going on in the space where the technology is advancing. In our group chat that we have, Black Dave was talking about the importance of party bids. Anyone that participates in party bids can create their own governance coin. We've gotten to a point where in Zora, you can actually mint it and anyone with governance token can make the cost of your mint whatever your governance token you have in your party bid. People who built this last thing, can do this new thing. The technology is going to continue to advance. That's inevitable. As far as artists are concerned, we should focus on two things, which would be the art, but also, the marketing of our art. What does roll out look like for web3? When we had this last conversation, art should be presented with excellence. If that means artist development with professionals, or getting piano lessons, whatever that looks like! Collaborating has helped developed me last few years. Being in spaces with artists I look up to. People who keep it real with me and not just be BobbleHeads™️ -- they just nod. I don't want them around. Let's make it better. My thing is, I want my art to be presented with excellence. I am not afraid of critique and make sure to do this extremely well. South Paw Swade and James are in that, and I send music to South Paw often. So, I think that's important when actually wanting to create great art. Making it the best. You want it to be impactful and the more excellent it is, the more impactful. Those are my 2 cents!
    • James: I see some new faces in the crowd. If this conversation is going over your head, interrupt and ask questions. The point of this is not to hear ourselves speak, but we don't want that to be the vibe. If you feel like we're talking about something, let's help
    • Almond: https://podcastnotes.org/crypto/bankless/5-mental-models-for-web3-chris-dixon-on-the-bankless-podcast-with-ryan-sean-adams-and-david-hoffman/
    • Pat: I appreciate that aspect of it! Welcome everyone that's here with us. To reset the room, we are the web3 Black Notes -- is it the tech or the art?
    • James re-asks the question: What should be more important -- the tech or the art?
    • celia inside: I am going to go with Almond on this one. For this particular convo, the tech is first in my mind anyway for someone who is looking for the most strategic way to enter the space right now. There is so much changing right now, daily, in the music world, and I need to have a full understanding of it on what I'm getting into, and asking others to get involved. That way, I'm very tuned to the tech side of it and trying to learn a little bit every day. There's this mad rush it seems, on this collectors wanting to collect, but I'm looking for the right moment where my art and the web3 world will cross in a natural way in a way that I'm ready for too. I'm doing my thing on the art side of it and going to get ready for that opportune moment. "celia inside" -- song by The Cardigans, which is by a band I really like
    • Pat: for gents on stage, I see your hands going up -- we have this thing for the women coming into the space, called the Uno Skip Card.
    • Iman: I'm going to say the art. I'm new to the tech side of things. I'm learning everything that I can about the tech, but the tech does not move without the art. Tech is made to make the art move. The art can move without the tech. You get what I'm saying tho? You make the tech for the art, and you push the art forward. That's what we have to continue to prioritize. Everyone should focus on what they believe is the most important thing -- for tech, tech, and for art, art. It's not about being all the same person. That's a cult. But coming together and doing what is best for what's best at -- you have both, or business and other areas, and we put that all in the pot. There's no right answer, but my answer is the art as that is what I'm most familiar with.
      • Pat: I'm on the art -- I agree with you wholeheartedly.
    • YahZarah.ETH: After being in the music space for over 20 years, they understand becoming a patron of the art. I am offering them utility and relationship. Two things that may not happen again. Getting to hug me and spending time with me, may not happen again. NFTs opens have another way to have relationships. Tech is driven by what we create. To me, it is the art and tech moving hand-in-hand, but most importantly the art.
    • dav: Shout out for having this room! I'm always trying to nerd out on this. I love this kind of question. Love the UNO SKIP CARD RULE, and sometimes it's hard to make space for the ladies sometimes. Appreciate you all for keeping track.
      • For me, art comes first. But there is art in the tech. If we can use the tech in artful ways, like other artists, there's ways we can tell stories -- I'm a musician, so as a producer, so for me, how do I make tech that deepens concept of the song? I have a song that I am putting out that is called 99 cents and it is about value. Every time it gets traded, the song degrades like something would over time. Having that, tech component, I could not have done that on Spotify or on a vinyl. We have to see what the potential of the medium is -- talking like coders, or learning solidity. I've been learning how to make that happen, and it's been hard and weird and strange and exciting, but this is the frontier and we get to explore that. As much fun as it is in the room, we chase down some cool stuff -- we get to do that on tech side and concept side and make our own crazy stuff that can further the medium and make the experience as an owner, and as a listener, something that's more desirable to have. We're making things that are art pieces, but if people don't want to own them, or have it on Spotify playlist than wallet, that's kind of an issue - so what do we want to do to make this more valuable?
    • Kizzy: gm everyone! I see follows, will follow back. I agree with dav -- embracing the tech, can be artful. I have seen when the internet became user-friendly, some artists took to it while others did not embrace it. To answer the question, the art is more important to me, but the tech is what makes things move. There's nothing new under the sun, except for tech. We've been talking about love and war and sex since beginning of time. But now, with new things -- tech, built the neighborhoods. Twitter - 10 11 years ago, it was all tech and IT bros. It was not the best place, but artists made it cool to me. It would be all the same derivative shit if it wasn't for artists ... someone has been supporting me as a fan of the art, but he's been an angel investor and didn't know anything about the tech, but had some crypto and one NFT. And he wanted to support me in that way. Hey, this is a learning curve, but I will reward you to support me on web3. You have to climb this huge learning curve by design -- there's the weirdness behind it, but it's a beautiful technology, which has a steep learning curve, and if you come to support me, I will make this so much better for you. That's the beauty of the tech and the smart contract. I'm a big BandCamp and made racks off that, and you can do cool things with experiential things and you get all these things, with my drops on the blockchain, because of pandemic, I'm going to send you very intentional merch -- old and new. This blockchain is so new and daunting for so many reasons, but giving people tangible things -- that's something.
      • Pat: what's really dope and what I'm excited for -- this is not a slight to anyone at all. I want to preface that, but anyone that knows about BandCamp, making items, t-shirts, or merch -- you can couple T-shirts, casette tapes, and literally anything with the music. Someone can buy the whole package, so I want to see what other people do in this space. I'm excited about that. Thank you so much for that. [Reset the room]
    • DANIEL: I appreciate you hosting the space. dav stole everything I wanted to say. As an artist, we prioritize the art. But there's cool ways to integrate the tech in what we do to support our artistic messages. Whether metaphorical or start the beginning of that -- the tech is there. But it's important to make sure that it makes sense along with the art.
    • NOYZ: [... Almond got rugged, missed this input]
      • Pat: I can appreciate that aspect for sure. Did anyone want to reply that's been said recently?
      • YahZarah.ETH: Thanks for being so gracious [Pat]. When I look at this tech situation, there are some people who are in tech that wouldn't have looked for me in web2. To bring myself to the tech, brought them to me, that web3 is an opportunity to reach out that would have never found us and attached to us not because of the music but because of our stories. This is an environment built on symbiosis. We are literally helping each other [...]
      • Doze: I have a question to ask! No shade in asking. Does there have to be a winner? That's a divisive way to look at it. Living life is art, in some people's opinions. So what is art and what isn't? I'm getting into semantics, but if we approach -- in web3, we have community and include each other and love the skip cards for women for sure, but at the same time, what's more important, are we not putting that divisiveness in the whole space of tech versus art? Just to think about it -- talking as artists, but curious what you all thought about that in general.
        • James: it's my question. I see how it -- when I look at space, what is the driving force that makes something successful? Is it because of the art or what the tech can do? I dug into this -- what would give it a more sustainable success? If art is cool, but no tech, what would that look like? I'm not claiming one side over the other. But some people will think art is most important part, but not about the tech -- but I want to the challenge that thought. You should probably look at both sides: with art or with tech. Look into more -- it means something.
          • Doze: for project success -- it's middle ground answer. Yin and yang, some of each. Someone that codes and art, coding can be art too! Appreciate you letting me ask this question and extending grace.
          • Pat: Of course, you are welcome! It's a question to pull insight and answers out of people too. Whichever you want to be more important, one or the other, you will do both -- but before you came in, he asked the question -- "well, do I have to choose one?" the reason: in the last room, we were talking about -- "which one? which one is more important?" I said both need to be done in excellence. They need to be done in an excellent capacity. If you need that help, to do it best as can, you need a team. You need someone that can help you utilize this as best as possible. I believe in creative socialid using the art to help others as well. Question was posed to just get good insight, and it's not meant to pit each other --
          • James: I was waiting for someone to ask the question!
          • Doze: It makes sense. There doesn't have to be a winner! If you don't want to do the research, you need a team to help you. It has to be excellent all around, esp in the art world!
          • Pat: we talked about that last time. Top-Tier Mid™️ [Reset the room / share if you like it!]
    • Kizzy: Doze came in passionate with the question, and James was elegant with the answer. Sparked a thought: I majored in chemistry and became an artist. One of the most beautiful classes was organic chemistry. But in orgo, it is drawing out chemical formulas. Some of these formulas look like art. You can shed a tier if you a super nerd. There is an intersection there. I remember having an ex-manager that would be made fun of -- she would emphasize the business of art. The art of business! People would say "get out of here!" but there's intersection there when you take and break some of the numbers, like Doze saying in the code, absolutely, the tech is beautiful in and of itself.
      • James: in high school, our teacher wanted us to have a creative way to remember -- I made a yearbook of chemicals.
      • Almond: KELSEY BROOKES
    • KING ZODEYAK: Introduce myself, my name is Mike! Vibes all around. It was meant for me, came here at the right time. I want to point out Doze, definitely peep what you saying -- I feel like tech is art to some people and I'm on that as well, I also feel as an artist, some artists don't know anything but art. They just don't know how to arrange the tech, so it's hand-in-hand for-real. I love my homies who are tech gurus, but artists should be more in tune with reaching out. I want to introduce myself and speaking on these spaces because I don't, and that can be nervewrecking, but I really feel the vibes here. I am really trying. I am here to learn and with people's stories. I'm trying to get into the metaverse. Please hit my DMs if anyone wants to help me with it, let me know!
      • James: I want to acknowledge and affirm you. I will DM you after this!
      • Pat: I was about to say the same. I heard others who don't speak in physical spaces, and someone was nervous in that space -- so, I commend you for that, for sharing.
    • South Paw Swade: s/o to ZODEYAK and people expanding borrders! When we get to the question, I agreed with so much stuff so I don't want to rehash all that -- but we're in a place where, we've seen over time, where art and tech have helped proliferate each other. When you look at web3 space initially, alot of it wasn't quite good initially, but you get more people in the space and it starts to diversify. With the internet, it helped proliferate music, but art helped internet too! Artists on the radio and using the limits of radio to create other things. It's a dance between lovers. It's a dance between lovers. There's no choice but for the two to interact in a way that advances both. So, when we get to the question of what's more important, I agreed with so much that's sad, but the question doesn't matter. They're going to interact and mature each other.
      • Pat: the dance between the art and the tech -- that's a bar! Swade is a long time friend of mine, super dope artist and producer. If you're not familiar, check him out! For people in the room, if you see something going on in their profile and checking them out, definitely follow them. Follow up with them and hit them up. We want to make this a space with community, and have this round table discussion. We appreciate everyone who shared so far.
    • totemohen.eth: Thank you for letting me be a part of this space. Thank you to Doze and wrote out a note because talking in spaces, I get jumbled up quickly. I was ready to say what Doze shared, so I appreciate you Doze if you're still up in the room. I thought about the words -- I considered how we might be able to zoom out further, as far as we can go, and maybe, in an effort to articulate differently, find ways to celebrate the ambiguity of it all, and celebrate that neither tech nor art nor medium has to exist within a binary fashion or sort of paradigms, and be a bit amorphous -- we can explore things in that alternative shift. I say that from a position of being a Black queer parent and considering ambiguities in these spaces. I appreciate you listening to me. My note echoes what DOZE said -- adding another example to consider: "8-bit music -- artists who create soundscapes using physical tech or other artwork might be a good example of how they blend mediums together. It happens everywhere. If we remove the lens and see the blend, there's a cool colorful picture."
      • James: do not apologize for the kid G!
      • Swade: you woulda heard mine if she wasn't knocked out.
      • James: thinking about this -- how, art, can break the tech for new uses. I think about TR808 as a commercial failure, but creators made a new whole art out of it. Or peek a boo system -- how will artists, disrupt the tech? I am interested to see how we use it improperly to make new things that didn't exist prior.
        • Hologram: what will be the new MPC?
        • Pat: I was thinking about Arpeggi Labs -- they might be the gateway.
        • Mishriff: I remember in 2011, that the new museum in New York was pairing technologists and artists and some exercise to give them 24 hours to work together and present something in an auditory way -- really cool topic to be thinking about.
    • Jayden: What's up James and Pat? How's your day going? I'm driving home right now -- I saw the question and it's come up in a lot of spaces, but I think it is so important. There is no right answer -- what would make projects last 3-5 years down the line? This entire question brings me to mintsongs and how everyday, there's 100s of people dropping songs on mintsongs and it's just growing more and more. But now, if we say this space is going to be here for long, and I believe it will, but how will these things of releasing 33 or 55 editions, how will they have longevity down the line? Will tech be the one to hold them up?
      • dav: the noise floor is really high right now. it's really easy to make a song, so when we consider mintsongs, that's one of the downsides of a free blockchain -- there's not a bouncer at the door. It helps on the ETH side to have the fees so you are more selective of what you want on there. Ultimately, 100 years from now, we will have music on some chain, and only some percentage will be music that people will enjoy and resonate with long-term. That's just a small percentage out there. We hope we can make that stuff.
      • blackdave: I can do both on input.
        • Recently, I was in a space that this idea -- that 10K music NFTs -- with artists and the tech and Frank [] and there's a time for both and place for both. Talking with managers and artists camps which are much more popular generally, but referencing the level of Justin Bieber's manager -- when you look at a lot of the NFTs, like artists in deals, they're relying on star power to get through. But if you look at some of the technology that NFTs offer, which of course, there are a lot of web2 alternatives here -- it can bear a lot of fruit. In Bieber scenario, he doesn't have to release an NFT that's attached to music, but an NFT attached to Q\&A or interview or similar. Art isn't even included in that convo. The thing you receive can be different. It is an experience! However, if all we want is for someone to experience music, we don't need NFTs for that. I use that as my constant example. Tech matters more than people want it to, and what we are doing as artists is fighting that. That's fine, and some artists don't have to play the popularity game. If Frank Ocean dropped something, that's one thing -- but there will be people that don't play the game -- I think that it's important that we recognize where we actually exist. We recognize floor art or fans or smartness -- this allows us to overindex in that direction. I know that my music isn't interesting to a lot of people because it's about anime. But I have other things to overindex on like thought leadership. If people recognize where we are strong, we can look at it like stats for our character. For an NFT drop, if I can get a 100 on the art, and probably pass with a 60 on the tech, or whatever. We want to give 80 on some things specifically, and be useful in this game, because as you soon as you put a price on art, it becomes commerce.
        • Hologram: I hopped in your DMs last night and you did reply. We are all mentally stretched. I said something really quickly, but -- it's a super great question to keep in mind, about the why is this an NFT, or why behind everything. Not shilling, but to break down what blackdave -- I don't have a 10K generative project -- but, I want something to be so different so it piques interest on fans and pique new fans. [... missed this part] You get the OG and the remix with my tokens -- ETH can be daunting. People see that first gas fee and they're like aw hell nah, it's very hard sometimes to get people over that monetary hump. I put stuff on object.com or Tezos blockchain for far less, and I have 128 tokens, which have a little bit of utility that will still send people something, and offer them the high-res version of the art for extra bonuses, but the real utility is with following the story and collecting on the ethereum blockchain. Having a 10K generative music based project, but Mike Shinoda has Zigg-project, and it is on object.com and it is 5K of a mixtape that he takes a piece out and put a, track in and take a track out. It makes it unique and 5K of these things, and it's really interesting [...]
  • Pat: got back in!
  • Almond: Check out BeatFoundryNFT!
  • James: I may sound boomer-ish, but generative art projects are cool — but do we want computers to decide how music is made? Or do I want a derivative of that? I don’t know if we want to trust computers to do that. I think music is great!
  • James: I forget what song is great, but Mike did 200 takes, and using the 2nd one. But in theory, there could be a flaw, but nothing is perfect.
  • Suede: some of that — synthesizers were semi-tones off — there are imperfections even if the song is perfect
  • dav: micro-timing — but if you put that on the grid, it won’t sound human anymore.
  • blackdave: if I put an adjustment algorithmically, like every hi-hat is off by some kinda milliseconds, you can create humanized things with mechanical methods, and this is another — the algorithm can make great songs, because the algorithm has great songs to study.
  • Swade: for me, something that makes music interesting is not just sound, but the story of it, and the story of people who make it. Same things can be true, of the algorithm that someone programmed! I don’t know, it’s just, I think there’s human element.
  • dav: if a machine can make a compelling song and make it for a bit, there might be some level where it can outthink a human, but that’s another AI singularity conversation, but when things can be — like groove maps with MIDI, even the most beautiful live performance is just 1s and 0s, so you can always analyze and always use that to make the next thing.
  • Pat: you can write a rap verse and choose Jay-Z’s voice and it actually does a pretty good job to make it sound like Jay-Z or Eminem, it is kinda weird, but I see what blackdave and swade is saying. When he was talking about Thriller, they were using analog synths and being semi-tone off, and this best take — I think it is really cool too, that, I don’t know if anyone else thinks this — but the way I record my music, I found this fascinating — when you sample, sampling is taking bits and pieces and orchestrating into something newer, even when you take longer sessions of the loop, in a really simple way — sampling! So I enjoy the process of recording several takes — the different ways I say things and get it all into one, so for me, I like to be hand’s on in that process. And vocal inflections and even words will like, there will be one take that I say it a word better, and that’s just — I’m torn between the two. I would lean toward keeping things human.
  • Hologram: you know there have been derivatives on artists - but you might know a couple - no names — and we let em fly, but not us, but the mainstream audience in general. With that said, thank you gm everybody, this was a great conversation, and wish you all the best!
  • dav: [... Almond missed this]
  • TreZureEmpire: music industry was founded on someone else being able to "own" and "license" music that wasn't there. What happens with our global music history when we have traditions beyond the commercial industry of music? Globally, most cultures have cultural preserved music -- when we think of Afro-Caribbean music traditions, what happens to our legacy in this model? How do we further these sounds in this new system? As a music ethnocologist, I am wondering where are we evolving from the old model and thinking of the same way of protecting and preserved of continuum of history and level of exploitation that comes from the previous model. What do I do with them in the most, ideal way for the collective? Am I supporting, or somewhere where people start profiting from other people of sound?
  • ALMOND STOPPED TAKING NOTES HERE AT 6:19 PM PST

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Notes​

• Intros & Ground Rules
• Discussion Question | What’s more important: the tech or the art?

Question | What’s more important: the tech or the art?​

• Dom: s/o to James & Pat for having this room! It's a good question. I'd say right now, the art is what's more important. From what I'm seeing, being new in the NFT/web3 space, the first year it was more heavy on the tech side of things. Even the projects like digital art and music, I felt it was very fitting for stuff that I would see associated with tech-related things. What I'm seeing now is outlet of music NFT space to slowly shape and form. The artists who are making dope music way before web3 and doing this stuff have been getting themselves into web3, and people who are making major strides are doing so based on the art and being authentic. For me, it feels like it's the art that's more important. Even when you think about web2 with the artists, looking to the mainstream, in the web3 space, the artists who are getting shine are the ones who really care about the art. When you see the music or the art, they've been putting in the work and you can see it.
• PatJunior.eth: I want to give other people chances to speak before I get in spicy mode. But, I definitely agree. I will let others go around before speaking on it because I have a strong opinion about it. Please share the space in the timeline! Let's go with JP.
• JPReynolds.eth: I'm on the art side of this. I heard this was going to be spicy. I like seasoning!
• Pat: there should be a balance of both. I believe in excellence - that's how I was raised. My mom was the oldest of seven and my grandparents are no longer alive, but they instilled that virtue in me. So that's how I came up. So, I just, one of the things that I'm weary of in web3 is people are people that come from web2, who the music is maybe not quality and they're not able to succeed or do well in web2, and let's keep it frank. Some of the music is top-tier mid. So, because they're not successful -- Top-Tier Mid™️ -- there are individuals that come from web2 and finding the web3 space to be successful for them. But Top-Tier Mid™️ lowers the bar for Top-Tier Excellence™️. Some people might be investing in the tech. This goes back to my thoughts -- I co-own a sound design company called [[ ]] doing sound design and production. One thing I realized is that people don't know about Splice, and I'll keep my words limited, one thing I noticed is that there's a lot of tech people involved with Splice. The people that actually built the website or run the company -- many of them, for the most part, do not anything music. They depend on some other generic person to be the tastemakers and search for the talent. So you have some vendors that are really good, and then you have Top-Tier Mid™️. I won't name any vendors, but there's a lot of Top-Tier Mid™️ folks there. Given the way things are shifting, there's Top-Tier Mid™️ on the site. So, I akin that to, when it comes to collectors, they're concerned about the tech, and how this subscription thing is ran. That's where they're invested in, on the money side of it. A good amount of collector is invested in the tech, not so much about the talent. Some people, in my opinion, don't have good taste. So what ends up happening is that people who are Top-Tier Mid™️ from Web2 might be creative in other ways around music that allows them to get pushed to the forefront. And sometimes, it's not. I'm not a brown-noser. The tech is important, but the art is very important too. What I've seen and heard so far, shout-out to sound.xyz, but sound.xyz from the artists that I've heard, they brought nothing but Top-Tier Excellence™️ to their platform. I don't know a lot about the other protocols who are onboarding, but I give my props to sound.xyz on executing on the tech in an excellent way and onboarding the excellent artists. If I have to give it a score, it's damn near 100.
• Chakkra: This is a good point and goes back to this conversation -- are we doing this because we're all about the tech, or are we indulging in the music? Being in other rooms, people are talking about music and there's a large gap in this NFT music space right now between the people who are focused on the user interface versus the actual people that are honing in (like sound.xyz) to get artists to onboard artists, or getting specific platforms to do that (like onboarding focusing on black women or other minor creatives) and to make space for folks like this. When you have these people rolling up in the place -- if we just allow the Top-Tier Mid™️ coming in, it will be like another search engine like SoundCloud, but you have to go for the diamond in the roughs where you find the best. For example, if SoundCloud did what it did in 2013-2014 but for 2022, it would be difficult to find the James and Pats and Lakim's and the Iman's and the Rome Fortune's because in that cesspool of sounds and these people who are putting out poor quality because they just want to put something out, they may need a homie to put them on. That can be difficult to follow the lead and follow the hype. Right now, it's who can follow the hype because it's like, are you willing to grind out and I know Pat's working on the Genesis NFT, definitely looking forward to that, but you're taking time to upload. This isn't a streaming service. This is another level of, "are you really serious as an artist? okay, let's see." Can you figure out the trenches and the tech and know how to maneuver through all of this. On the backend, I think it's also upto the developers and engineers to make sure that we have people that are reaching out to the right people. I don't want to put just anybody on the platform that are not looking for the substance we're looking for. You don't go into a KPOP space looking for rap. Yeah we have different blends, but let's be real: if you go to R\&B Radar, I'm not looking for a rapper at all. When focus is on a specific area, you get more control and more organization. I definitely feel your sentiments on that and where it could go. When you find those diamonds in the rough and scroll and search and there's an influx of information, and it's dope when you get in spaces like these because you don't have to go through forums and threads because it gives you easier access to real instead of fake.
• James: Pat and Almond -- the ground rules are actually for me, so stop me as well.
  • As an artist, the art should be equally important. We're early. So, because this is a space to navigate it, you have to know the tech, there are some people who understand the tech before their artistry is at a high-elite level. There are people who make great things in this space but don't get the tech. What I've seen, I feel like a lot of the projects, it's people who are using the tech and making art that's not culture shifting mind-bending art, but the whitepaper is impressive. It's part of a good plan for something to invest in. We're catching lightning in a bottle, where NFT is being used to make art. But in 20 years, it will be used to make many things. The tech will outweigh it. I think there needs to be more curation, but people get scared because of gatekeeping. But what if there was more onboarding? In a perfect world, it would be great to onboard and empower artists. Because of technology, art is more accessible to people. Before studios in your house, you had to really practice and save up your money and cut a record in a studio and tour that joint for a year. Yes, it's dope that the tech makes it easier, but it's a weird thing -- the tech is cool, but I don't know if the art is cool necessarily. The plan of the project makes sense. I want art to be as important, but tech is whooping art's ass right now.
• JP: There's a lot to digest with this question. There's a large spectrum. First response is question: what's the point of departure for tech and art? To make art as an independent artist, you have to know some tech. Being able to rap is different from engineering a section, like learning Logic or another DAW is necessary to create the art in the first place. Can we create art without tech in certain ways? Second, tech is a tool. So, it's an interesting from point of departure. Third, how we're assigning value to this because we talk about collectors and how they see what they invest in and how they invest in art. This is something we rub against and thinking of music as fine art. Music as fine art will have to face the same battle fine art -- but the collector thought it was alot of money because we give it value, and value begets valuable because they get the value. It's an interesting thing that's happening in the space, and it's not necessarily new, and music is facing this. There's definitely a "who's first" at the table type energy for who is getting on and who's getting attention. I'll leave it there.
  • Break from Pat: resetting the room and sharing rules, share in timeline if it's valuable! Let's sort the order of people to speak.
• mariworld.eth: No doubt, appreciate that.
  • Something JP brought up that was interesting was the idea of value. Re-creating value in art and the way tech does that. Tech is making it more accessible and making ownership of art more accessible. Whereas, before when wealthy people or corporations own the art, blockchain technology is now democratizing that ownership. In that sense, the tech plays a huge role, so is it more important than the art? Tech without the art has no cultural weight. But art without tech, is art for art's sake. I want to throw that out there and see where people are with it.
• David J.Butler: This is a super interesting conversation. I'm in the middle of rolling out a residency to help Black fine artists to find their way through the Metaverse. The conversation about structure, and what are your goals at the end of the day when you start with this question? As artists, we approach with art perspective, but the only reason why art and tech are intersecting is commerce. But for those who are trying to build platform, you care about ownership if you share with the world. So when you go to exchange value in the form of monetization, and make a living for yourself for your artwork, you interact with all of these systems because alot of people that feel left behind in this space. But the residency I am building is probably going to be something that's widely adopted decades for now, but it's important to understand the fundamentals. If you don't have the relationships or the tech knowledge, it can be tough. Tech is most important piece because it's the newest piece. So, what are your goals? If it's art for art's sake, then NFTs may not be the thing.
  • Pat: for web3, part of it, for artists, this is a way to create financial freedom: build a marketing plan, pay producers and all of that. I definitely respect the tech if you will. Respect The Tech™️.
  • David: last thing -- we haven't seen the development of new models yet. How I've been thinking of it and watching this project, people are going with profile picture models, but we haven't seen the new models yet. Maybe it's called quality coin where there is a barometer by type of music or having access to NFT could be followed by quality of your music, and who determines the quality. The part of it is needing to push NFTs -- but to JP's point, it won't be JPEGs. This is the note for your digital car and all the fashion stuff coming to light as well, and instead of replicating the current models, we need to see the development of new models.
  • Mike Moonman: David J. Butler already covered it for me.
• lucas3.eth: Thanks, I appreciate it. I want to build off of what David was saying for building communities -- we haven't seen the models yet. I think I want to add that, a third option here is that the community is just a thing that holds true when we talk web2 music and web3 and you have that strong community, that's what pays off. Having worked with a lot of artists in web2, they had lots of streams -- there's still not winning long-term unless they capture that community to develop those die-hard fans, and web3 makes community a more important thing here. Thanks for letting me come up.
• Chakkra: lucas3.eth touched on something highly key. Pat said that people coming in who are putting out Top-Tier Mid™️ -- just in correlation to an art gallery and they pay for a painting with a red streak in it, they're going to say a whole backstory to what this means to them. There's some purpose and meaning to it. Art for the art's sake - it can survive on its own, but if we're talking about expanding the reach of where that art touches, and who it touches, and the space it exists in, the tech has to be present. lucas3.eth made me think: I don't think I can worry about the Top-Tier Mid™️ to a certain degree, because they had to have built a following, but after a while, well, if the people don't have the community and look through the cash grabs, they may not work out long-term. I guess that's my current question -- in tandem with what James said. It's going to take time to learn the tech. And if you are, will Top-Tier Mid™️ thrive or will it die like everything else in web2 that doesn't sustain properly like we listen to in music? So many artists are no longer making the music that are providing and add to the lifestyle you're living, whether you are 9-5 worker or a son, or someone doing community service or lost a mother. Sometimes -- I juts wonder, can the Top-Tier Mid™️ thrive? What will that landscape look like?
• Blackdave: So, to me, I thought about this a lot. Starting with music, if, we wanted to just sell music for a lot of money, we don't need web3 for that. So that's why tech matters -- if you want to sell it for $100, sell it on Bandcamp, you don't need to make an NFT. I understand that the idea of the value is different, and I'm not saying that I recognize that, but I am saying that someone wants to make money, you don't need to make it an NFT. But people are making NFTs not understanding why they need to be making NFTs. They say music is a utility, but you want your music to be enjoyed, they don't need to buy it. I don't need to buy it if I can just let it exist. I don't consider NFTs art. I consider NFTs products. NFTs will shift alot. NFTs will be productized as they become more useful, but that's what I want to say.
  • James: Hearing you talk about this before, I think at first, I didn't agree until I understood the tech more. And once you realize you get it excited, and sell stuff at high level and have financial freedom, but you do a disservice not understanding.
  • Blackdave: if you don't offer anything else, what makes the music more valuable after collected? Do we wait and see if it is supposed to be a classic? Can you imagine that conversation? Whatever it is -- the battle if something is a classic is almost not good. But, the reason something becomes a classic is not just based on music, but is their cultural impact important and I think if you're making a song into an NFT, there's no reason for me to buy it because I gain nothing a a collector if you don't use the tech.
  • Pat: James and I were having this conversation last night and the whole idea of [...] -- we have this opportunity to build community and build connections with the collectors. If somebody for example, bid 3 ETH on a video of mine and you feel comfortable with it, we might have to fly out to your city and hang out for a day. There needs to be more value like a personable experience adding to those things. It's also up to the artist, like you were saying, to make great art that is timeless and over time, people can say, oh no, this is amazing song and it's stuck with me and it's inspired me and there's a general consensus of the art or the music over time and yeah, I definitely -- we were talking about the whole, there needs to be an excellence for the art and tech.
• Almond: [...]
• Mike Moonman: I was looking at the top and thinking tech or the art... one thing that is missing is the community. For me, I'm in it for the community. I'm a homegrown rapper and try to leave it so many times, so for me, I'm an irish guy who lives in sydney -- scene is not big. I've been trying to think of a way to use these NFTs to make myself relevant that is nowhere relevant or near to USA. I want to find a way that I can make my music to do something with this.
• 10!: I started doing crypto in 2018. I started out making a lot of music and I was a struggling producer. In 2015, I got a pull of momentum and graduated high school -- they ended up getting major level deals. I didn't have the paperwork to capitalize on that and starving at the time. I ended up quitting music and dipping into finance before market crashed, and now life is a bit easier and now we're here: is it tech or the art? Looking at it from a weird perspective like a trifecta: as the dude that was like selling beats for rent money to feed myself, I was like, always at a draw. This fiat stuff -- it's great, it gets the bills paid, and there's not really a backpedal for a bigger outlet. Crypto does give that space and we're still in a space where it is early and there are not really any business model -- Audius tried to do it, but it turned into some Hunger Games shit and we didn't have that full blown sustainability and we can't charge tokens for streams. To what blackdave was saying, we can sell music on bandcamp. I would do limited release vinyls and if you have a t-shirt, you get infinite access to secret library of music that I update but not soundcloud. There is a way to exist for it now, and we have the dApps that can put everything in our own and we can take the middle man out. We don't get hit with the fees, but we have to look at the reality of things like with crypto and decentralization, which is a whole nother conversation. On certain chains, it might be productive and it might seem attractive, but if we used ETH it would be more so harm the user unless they really wanted to give you that. I have traders perspective: I see NFTs to make Ethereum for low-cost low-risk entities. So if you are a 5-year horizon type trader or investor and you understand that, going to 50K itself, that's kind of the race that people are getting into. That's where the apprehension -- is NFT worth it? You're trying to race towards an asset that gets to 50K. The value, when that one person was going to get access to all the shows, that's worth 50K and you need to think at the large scale and get a successful token release and product in crypto going because the uptick is hard to get through. But the art is there and I'm a dude that was shy to NFTs at first because I was staking 32ETH, but now I understand this was social experiment where it's too large to fail and the tech will get better because we're at that point where people are pushing every day. We will get to a place where it is productive and systems that will be better. I think we're close but not quite there. But, the tech is the most important part. The art can be sold in any way, but we don't need a receipt for that, but tech is most important part and that's what we have to focus on.
  • Pat: the audience is glitching out because Twitter is bugging out.
• musixrebel: I just got into NFTs and all of this stuff. I've been kind of focused on the art for last 3 years. I just wanted to speak on that. Someone spoke to music being in 2014 - 15 is not doing as well today -- I wanted to say that nowadays, art is not in its purest form. Everyone is tracing the S-sign now like the superman signs from the past, but it's very important that even though the tech is the most important, but in the same hand, they go hand-in-hand and make sure the music is top-tier. We can't be tracing the same thing over and over again.
  • Pat: as space grows, people will find the freedom and use that in web3 space. It's expected when it's young.
• blackdave: Today, I got the opportunity to go to the Discord server for Josh Goodwin (Justin Bieber's engineer). He invited me to talk about web3 and music. We're talking about it from the lens of someone like Justin. I explained that a lot of the biggest music NFTs that come from artists on labels -- independent artists win the most -- but to lean in to the point of the room, I was talking about how owning someone's music NFTs is not just about the music. I love the receipt thing. We need an NFT that enhances the relationship between me and that person and the blockchain and address of the token and that's what matters the most. Every major label artist who has dropped an NFT has done it without music attached to the NFT. Think Eminem, Halsey, Lil Yachty, ASAP Rocky, Snoop Dogg -- any artist on label. There is no music attached to it. The thing that is the real game changer in music NFTs is the artist-to-fan experience, and it's not something that's created. Rather, it's facilitated using music. If you see someone playing the song or fan of the artist, and what NFT does and what web3 does whether NFTs or fungible, is that it can quantify your fandom and create an enhanced experience fan-to-artist experience. If we can create a pathway, I use Rihanna as an example: I bought her the big photo book. And, that's a different level of fan than someone who is a concertgoers tiers (savage fenty, book, first-row) but based on type of token that someone owns, you're now going to be a better brand, business, and product provider, but it's only enabled by the tech. But you get the fans by the music. In web3, is tech more important than art? Sure short-term. But long-term? Art is more important.
• jarrenblair: I dropped a video and song with lackhoney and put it on Glass Protocol, so Lack -- he's been figuring it out for the last few months and got me into it. I'm figuring it out now and how I can use it to my advantage or how it can work. Something I've been listening to is that alot of the value from independent artist monetization -- value comes from experience of your music and how you can bring that in real-life situations (concert tickets, merch) and a lot of the times, when people buy your merch, it's not necessarily the shirt, but they want to remember the experience that comes along with it. I'm trying to see how that can be branched with the NFT thing. Building a community in the NFT space for how to translate that into IRL situations. If a collector collects a certain amount of songs or whatever, giving them free tickets like that, but something I noticed from party bid was like alot of people putting ETH were doing it anonymously or just don't know who they are and it's like, okay, how can I actually translate that? Someone that's just a music fan or hardcore into NFTs and understand how space works, how do you translate that into real life? Hard for me to imagine to get a fangirl to hop into ETH -- so with the tech versus the art thing, the tech is behind for making a casual fan for an independent artist, but I could be wrong. If there's a better way to do that, I want to hear!
  • blackdave: I think -- some people believe this -- NFTs don't have to be expensive. They can be a dollar in value. I think what happens is that artists see other artists and do what they do. If you think of the superman-S-model -- I like wanted to push back against the superman-S-model, because if two people make same art and they have two different brands, but the NFT space is not supposed to be a space for the casual fan in the way it's setup right now. If you want to convert casual to deep fans, you need to meet them where they are than pulling them in. However, there are interesting opportunities to turn casual fans into big fans.
    • Example: I have a friend in NYC and she asked me if she should buy The Hundreds NFT. I told her about the brand and they're OGs, and she's like okay, I'm gonna buy it. She gets it speculatively -- this might go up in value, then obviously. [a] the floor is higher than mint, but [b] she buys the hundreds clothes and she is fan of the brand and what happened was she was trojan horse'd. She was offering this thing that might have potential upside, but, some of those holders are going to get out and be like, this is kind of like my shit and they stay. Community wins. Community wins, but art won. Sometimes art wins and tech keeps them there. It's interchangeable, but me, blackdave, is the type of guy who is thinking a bajillion steps ahead on ideas. I want to respond to jarren in case it helps.
• -- Almond signed out at 6:00PM PST. No further notes were taken.

About​

• Date: January 13, 2022 | 7:30PM EST
• Twitter Space: https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1OdKrBQDlDqKX

Notes​

• Listening Party
  • James Gardin - Damage
• Introductions
  • Pat Junior, James Gardin, Almond
• Artist Meet & Greet
  • Pat | What we want to do: we ourselves, are artists, producers. Pat does sound design, and James is a teacher of sorts. We want to create a space for artists who are already in Web3 and those interested in the Web3 space. James reached out to me and said I thought I would kill it in this space, and we want to share the knowledge we have, and we want to share. We don't know everything, but we want to share the knowledge we have with the blockchain and web3, but want to create a space and community so we can all learn fvrom each other. From time to time, we will have think tanks. What we're doing today: we are having an artist meet and greet. We have rules and guidelines. Feel free to request to come up and speak, but I'ma let James take over to share rules for tonight.
  • James | I'm a teaching artist. We teach production and songwriting. I think the rules, sometimes help us, be more focused in conversation. I saw some spaces that went out of hand.
    • Rule #1: One voice at a time. We have no reservations to put people back in audience if they talk over people.
    • Rule #2: This is a no-shilling zone. Don't try to sell me or anyone in this room. I'd love to know your story, and share it in a more genuine way.
    • Rule #3: Keep it in the middle. Do not attack people. Evaluate ideas and concepts, but do not attack people.
    • Rule #4: Step out, but step back. If you're not on stage, you can request. But make space.
    • Rule #5: Share the room. If you get something of value out of it, share. We want to keep this as diverse as possible. If we have women raising their hand, fellas, please feel free to head out and we don't want to make this feel like a boys club.
    • Rule #6: We will enforce these rules.
  • Pat | Share the space on your timeline. Share the wealth. We are not trying to promote ourselves. We want to share community and bring awareness. There are artists in Web2 that I think, would kill in Web3. We want to share the wealth with talented artists who feel like, we want them to do well. Share the space, let's let folks up.
  • caleb777 | shout-out to Pat and James. Appreciate ya'll. Just wanted to hop in and say what's good. I always want to make myself known, even if there are familiar people. I see you Thomas. James, is the homie. I've been knowing James for a couple of years, meeting you at a KB concert. I'm an artist, experimental -- a lot of hip hop inspired stuff, but I also do lo-fi stuff and boom-bap. Some heavier stuff, some trap metal sh** -- I came up with the OG SoundCloud scene, and Denzel Curry and Odd Future. As far as Web3, I've been in this space for over a month and I'm just, in love with the community and emphasis on community as well. From Web2, even being in spaces like this, it's difficult for me because in places like Instagram and TikTok, it is Clout Based. Already, being in these spaces, I'm in rooms with Sunny Digital and Allan Kingdom. I've been on Allan Kingdom since 2013-14 and it's wild how technology grows and I'm super inspired and excited about it and I love the stuff we talk about, especially with Tika and SassyBlack and abundance mindset. Everyone grows together and comes up together. I'm all about giving back and just community. That's me. I appreciate ya'll.
    • James: What's something new you learned recently about Web3 that you didn't know would be valuable?
      • caleb777: for me, going back to something I said before. One of the biggest things is that it's not about klout. I really felt like that on other platforms (Instagram) -- I don't know a certain person or someone's camp, so there's no way that I can speak with these people. For me, just showing up, we talk alot about that, but just showing up, I learn that it is beneficial. Pull up to these spaces, and get to know people's stories. Don't shill and sell nothing. Be genuine and authentic and everything else. Support gon' come. Be genuine.
      • James: Solid. Thank you. Hopping over to Genesis.
  • Genesis | Pat Junior -- I was looking at the grill and crazy color on your face. Wait, you're in Raleigh?
    • Pat: Aquarius
    • Genesis: I'm a Pisces. I have to see what this emperor is all about. That's why I'm here. I'm Art for short. I changed to Genesis because I'm minting my first NFT next week. I'm a creative entrepreneur that paint, model, sculpt. I do things that are creative and makes me happy. I like making money. I like giving money away and it's a blessing. I'm coming out with an album in August 2022.
    • Pat: If I can ask -- can you share about what you're minting? Definitely interested. Appreciate the compliment.
      • Genesis: I would love to get a matching grill set photo with you.
      • Pat: send it to me about the person in Brooklyn. Bet.
      • Pat: If James, if it's cool - what are you minting?
        • Genesis: I got invited to foundation. I chose the 21st because my sister is a photographer and I am minting that. My sister is on hiatus from social media but she is designing UX design and she is an Aquarius. She is working hard and this UX stuff -- I want to give her a chunk of change so she can breathe a little bit. I want her to know this NFT thing -- she has to get in. When I give her some coins, I want to get her to raise an eyebrow. Because she is on hiatus, I am adding her, and she has no clue. Whenever I make, it will be humungous.
        • James: If you do a space for drop party, I'll pull up and support.
        • Art: I do spaces every Wednesday. I'll do a drop party day of.
    • Pat: totally down to pull up.
      • Art: the woman can do anything; it doesn't matter.
    • Pat: I think Dnyce was next?
  • DnycexDesign.eth: I wanted to jump in and show love. I love what you guys are doing. This pairing is a dope mix. This is really fly. I got company, but just wanted to jump in, say love what you're doing, I was listening to Godly (Pat), but there's something about this I really like. It's because -- do you know Taylor Grey? That first verse in Godly, just reminds me of Taylor. And, he's like one of my favorites. You definitely got something that's really special and follow your growth cuz you definitely got the sauce.
    • Pat: Appreciate you.
    • James: s/o Pat for having the sauce.
  • Scolla: Peace bro, peace. I didn't want to say much -- I saw you post earlier James. You've always been part of things in honest space. Tyler Donovan has worked with you before and got me hipped on Gold Fangs on Sunday. I f* **** with Godly heavy. It's gold's ear. Super dope project all the way around. New to the web3 space, but just appreciate being around people that understand community and beautiful energy and creating a space where we can exist. I know James' grind and similar to mine: we've been independent artists for quite some time, and getting into web3, is being able to get these communities and families we built and really take control of our art and speak directly to the people that give a f*** to what we're doing. We want to speak to people who care. I want to do with people that take the time and give a f***. I want to co-exist in a space to see black and brown people, men and women in the space. Love and light to ya'll. I have a project I want to mint, but anything I can learn, I'm soaking in.
    • Pat: thank you. Towards the end James, this is off-the-cuff -- it would be good to have a small section for people to get into web3 with some questions. That would be dope.
  • Chakkra Tara: I want to say -- thank you for hosting this space. Grateful for ya'll. I've been a multitude of spaces these past couple of days and it's been enriching that understand the importance of community and camaraderie and showing up for each other, especially at a time when artists are breaking barriers pushing the envelope to set the tone to say: I don't need all these factors on the backend to do what I'm doing. I can do this with my core people and it's been beautiful being in these spaces. I'm an artist, producer, and engineer. I want to show love to my brother Pat for being able to put a project last year and Pat gave me good graces to produce a record on there, and that year showed me a lot about collaboration, especially as an artist that experienced partnership taking advantage of your art -- not giving you credit or taking bread from you or not showing you love from success stories. James, I definitely appreciate the knowledge you drop on in each space.
    • I would say that my biggest takeaway from being in these spaces, like Iman dropping an NFT and multiple NFTs, like Allan dropped an NFT and multiple people -- MoRuf, for year I've been listening, and seeing the success of some of the people like Latasha, that for me, didn't get the love on certain levels. Now they're taking charge and holding it down independently. They really are full-throttle web3. What I learned from these is to get into the rooms is more important than listening to people who are saying it's a scam or doing stuff for klout. Talking to other homies, they say "I don't know about that" and when you take out of your comfort zone and the money does come to you to a certain degree, but like, the relationships that people have built from the NFTs they built and minted and blockchains -- depending on where they put their art on -- it's wow, it's crazy. This isn't just about let's drop something and get these people pumped up for like, a cash grab moment, but we're building a community of people who care and just made multiple connections with people. Where you're at right now is more important than just someone dropping53 NFTs -- but nah bro, you're good. Your chapter 1, 1.5, 2, in this space. People are just now pouring into this. Take the time, do due diligence, and show love. God will pour back into the spaces you're showing love to.
      • There's nothing you can do without community.
  • James: drop some ETH in the offering basket. ♥️
  • Pat: Iman is incredible. I've gotten to know her from afar, watching her journey in web2. When we say web2, we say like, DSP like spotify and everything that is not NFT in the web3 space like minting on the blockchain. Your Spotify, Tidals, etc etc. The music industry as we know it. I've been able to watch Iman from afar, and she will share some of her journey in the tweets. And, the disappointments she's faced. Aside from Twitter, I've gotten to know people that knew her, and the people that I know that know hertoo, said nothing but great things. It's unfortunate when we see in the industry that people are authentic and real and genuine who love people who are respectable in character struggle because of not stepping on people. To see her -- Iman has had some great wins in web2 and kill it in web3, has been super inspiring. She's about to get her artists back and it's going to be even better. She's been building community over here [web3] -- I'm super proud of her. There's other people like BLACKDAVE.eth, CARLA, who is minting soon, and something super fire. Follow CARLA please. Bro, when I tell you, it's been a blessing to connect with these people in web3 space, I've met some really cool people. Everything you saying, is what it looks like. You'll run into some assholes in this space, but most folks I've run into have been great.
  • Let's get over to PHLOTE. And play a snippet of something that is currently on blockchain that we might know.
• PHLOTE: shout-out -- had to come through and support consistently James and Pat and showed up at live votes. I see you a part of it.
  • To add my 2 cents: what I have learned being deep in web2 in the blog world and coming into this world, and I see there are elements from both sides [web2, web3] from what they are calling web3. At core of it, it's still developing community like you always have web3. We did a release with Glass and artists, but the difference that's biggest is that these protocols and companies are now, they have to be transparent in this space. Creatives and DAOs existing in this space, they have to be transparent. Otherwise, we get them out of the paint. There's levels of accountability that are existing now and saying that I say this: alot of these companies focus on scaling curation. Scaling curation is going to get a lot of the gatekeeper shenanigans out of here. We need to hold a lot of these web3 companies accountable. That's why I'm starting to get away from web2 and web3 differentiation, because the people who are developing in the community in the real world can use the tools. But, if the music doesn't hit with the crowd or community, you see investors buy it up but let's say -- I make 100 grand and I sell a bunch of NFTs but only sell to 8 people. Now when I do a show in your city, is it those 8 people? We need to do alternatives to what exists. But we need to hold platforms to hold them to a certain degree.
• Break: Bronxland and Rocky Sneider...

Part 2​

• Gulches_: Got introduced to Pat from another friend. I really like your music, will check James out too. Will check out this glassxyz platform too. I want to dig into that a bit. I've been in the NFT space for 8 months, and been a musician for years now. Been doing 10-20 albums engineering wise in my local area. I've been doing some modular synth -- I'm separating myself and people are getting into it with this. I love analog tech, and tryna leverage the futuristic vibe of web3 and metaverse with modular synthesizers. That is what my creative vision is heading towards right now.
  • Been checking out Ethereum, but gas is expensive. I've been checking out Tezos for music and visual artists, and been minting mainly on there because there's very low gas fees. It's basically free to sell and auction capabilities. Been a huge fan for Tezos and other platforms, but Ethereum is expensive, but not everyone can dip into that as we wish we could. I'm excited to checkout Glass.
  • James: I will check that out and try again.
  • Pat: for modular synth, I'm a sound designer. Young's -- we will talk about everything inside and outside of music, but it gets dangerous. My exp with modular synth is very slim, BUT I have seen it in action. [] is a modular synth and used it on my 2019 album, I Thought I Knew, bc there's another space going on with a feature going on that used it on Peace, with me and Chad. Modular Synth looks really hard to learn, but when you get locked in, -- the thing for those who don't know, you need to feed sound in the MS and use it to morph the sound and resample it or whatever the case is. It's really cool, and we can talk about that stuff another time.
  • Gulches_: it's wires connected, you can add a keyboard and make it do whatever you want to do. There's a zillion things that you can do with it. It's everything!
• SoloSam: 2 part question
  • Confusion: a lot of people talk about freedom. Eliminate middleman in the process. It seems like, I'm just confused -- are there platforms that are in-between? When I think of that, I think of OnlyFans or Patreon, but it's still confusing me about why people are so easily available to go through this financial system to go through artists, when they could have paid artists before like individual fans/supporters? Where did these people start having this money to transfer through ethereum and not just like, pay the artist?
    • James: [restates question] -- I think, and I may not be the best and don't quote me, what I speculate is about what the technology can do. With OnlyFans or Patreon, and that site goes down, and you lose the connection to them, I think about -- I had, when I had 14K followers on MySpace, but it ended and I had to hop to something else, I just lost that. When we live on the blockchain, I can go on Etherscan and always have that connection with them.
      • It's with the technology you can build on other things and you don't have a platform that controls what you can do. We've had the tech, but we haven't used it in this way to show ownership in this way and we sometimes get confused to get digital stuff for free, but that's neither here nor there. The reason why people are so into this, because I also believe that the technology and NFTs will be something that integrates in everyday life. We're showing through art and entertainment, and it can be applicable to so many different things. But the tech is why people are excited. I coulda agree and see they can buy the Patreon, but you can really have the connect with the audience.
  • In that stemming away from financial instittution: my only concern is that I believe in web3. People didn't believe in dotcom bubble, but even in dotcom space, there's caveats with online space and I do like cutting the financial institutions out of the way. For you to be truly secure, you have to put systems in place that you at some point, that like losing a code or password locks you out of that. When we eliminate institutions, we can't call somebody. It's really on us. I'm an adult man, and should be responsible for my own stuff, but not gonna lie - I use these computers and these things just break. I don't want to have a broke computer. Now it's like, I can't replace the damn computer that broke. I truly believe in the system and any system of progression or any infra -- upgraded, it comes with caveats and preventative measures. What do we do to protect artists and intention? I've already seen Budweiser in it, but when I see people like that in the mix, it scares me because capitalism is going to come into this and I will turn off my mic but appreciate you.
    • Pat: If you want to learn more about web3, please share this on the timeline. We want to share the wealth and knowledge and please share this space. It's not about me and James - we want to build community and educate people as much as possible. I'll add to that: we want to help some artists with some freedom. That's a part of it too, gaining financial freedom with their art.
      • SoloSam: the way crypto started, I invested money in companies that got hit, I'm at a good place and taking profits from there and putting in. As a joke, a minute ago, there was SHIB coin and I threw some decent amount into it around like February and I wanted to pay attention to this because there's something here that's not just money that people like in Reddit space and stocks. What Reddit did to stock market was impressive, and I followed it to a tee.
    • Pat: Do you have a Metamask wallet?
      • So, this is going to sound super silly: there was a time at the start...
      • Sam: I have one, but I don't remember the password. That's scary if they don't remember!
      • Pat: let's talk about it. From my understanding, James and Almond chime in here, from what I understand, there is no customer service. If you lose your password, it's gone. You will have to have some kind of main wallet or exchange. When you get into web3, and have metamask wallet, you need to write down that password, and you need to write down that phrase. If you get locked out, you can put that phrase in. Set up on Google Chrome. I want to see the whole screen. I don't want to make mistakes. I'll say, for sure, write it down and people say -- I wouldn't do this or advise, but some people type it in notes. IF you have a note app, type that in there and screenshot it. I have it written down.
• JPReynolds: I don't work for a crypto company, but checkout https://createsafe.io/our-mission -- having a shared wallet, there's platforms that are merging that solves the web2/web3 bridge, that is something to look out for. Just wanted to add that in there.
• CHARM TAYLOR: I resonated with what Pat and SoloSam had shared --
  • Pat: When the ladies come in, you can be upset at me and James, it will be a wildcard Uno and they get the SKIP!
  • CHARM TAYLOR: This is the ladies night that never ended. One of the things that I heard from SoloSam was the way you presented: like, of course you have to pay for my music! When did this mindset shift happen? When did artists value this being a debate? So much value has saved my life. Tupac was my daddy lowkey. Real life experiences was like this was for'real! If it wasn't certain voices -- Tupac wasn't doing free shows. There's that, and coming into this space and learning about NFTs about a month ago. I was activating an installation in New Orleans -- where I am based -- working with a sister of mine for people for public art and doing an art installation and building apothecaries and sonic site apothecaries that art and music is medicine -- there were live flips and experiences and Monica was projecting flipping this stuff live and murals were generative flips of my album cover. I asked what an NFT and here we are - a month ago. In this space and Twitter Spaces, this was the room that resonated with SoloSam and what James shared -- disrupting this relationship with people and it is a mindset shift. Some of the platforms are also kind of re-perpetuating this in web3, like the harmful ways from web2, and some are actually riding for artists. If I crowdfund my stuff, you still have these curational teams and people with big budgets and always want cool artists to come in and make it cool and not bust up no coin! I think one of the demands of web3 that we offer here is, everybody gotta pay. Not just consumer or some superfan or customer base, but everyone is paying. The agents and art directors are paying, and that to me is like, I want to see solidarity on that. First NFT we drop - we burst a couple of days ago. It's first of the MetaMatriarchs and the Crown Matriarchs talks about prosperity as a whole birthright of ours and ETH and tokens representing that and what they starved for so long. I want to drop it in a way that everyone can afford it, but the first one is the embodiment is what I know for over the course of my career to have maternity leave and having music licenses and investors who want the NFT itself and having a remix from She's The Future (one of my albums) and a sync license like someone who knows what to do with a WAV file, but you have a master use to use the song and video and live performance and kicking off the NFT tour, and it came -- I think that's it. We're performing in ETH Denver!
• Monica Rose: check out the foundation.app listing and monitherose.eth
  • Know of any DAOs to help us bridge the gap in funding, but we can bring our DJ and priestess squad to build the altar? I want to bring our team to Denver. We have the ability to accept 51 different tokens. If you want to donate given tax time, you can change to fiat and tax, or donate it to us in crypto first and not get taxed. Check out my last tweet
• [EDITOR NOTE] Almond dropped from the space at 8:56PM EST. These are incomplete notes.

Remaining order --

• knwLv.eth
• DelryanDesigner

Resources​

• https://www.ledger.com/academy/security
• https://metamask.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404722782107-User-guide-Secret-Recovery-Phrase-password-and-private-keys
• WRITE YOUR STUFF DOWN.